What if Satan defeated God when god and Lucifer had their war in heaven
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 03:43 PM)
That's Gnosticism. The evil Demiurge created the physical world. You see, all this was already known two thousand years ago.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 04:14 PM)
Gnostics believe that the material world was created by a lesser deity which they call the Demiurge (literally "public craftsman").
The Demiurge is a hostile demonic force who creates the material world in order to trap the spiritual elements.
http://gnosis.org/library/valentinus/Demiurge.htm
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 05:34 PM)
Why? Lucifer got the world. He created everything. If god had created the universe it would be completely different.
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Vlad. — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 05:46 PM)
My scenario involves satan supplanting god in heaven. You said that is what Gnosticism is, now you’re saying that’s not the case and satan is resigned to ruling earth in the gnostic system.
That’s not to say that your contribution wasn’t interesting, it was. It’s just not the same situation. A god of this earth may run things here but it sounds like that entity would have limited power. What I’m thinking Is of a situation where the original deity is forced into serving a corrupted version of his own creation.
I suppose insofar as the Gnostics believe satan rules the earth and is able to exert influence over worldly affairs, the effect is more or less the same as it concerns humanity. In my scenario, the imperfect being satan is the new god and this is why the world is imperfect. In the gnostic system, satan is the god of this earth and the world is imperfect.
I’m pretty sure a lot of traditional Christian sects refer you Satan as the god of this world or the god of the air, implying his dominion is limited to the realm of the mortal and of the dammed; satan cannot exert power within heaven. Doesn’t really make the Gnostics seem all that special.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 05:57 PM)
But Gnosticism is the closest philosophy we have to your assertion. The end result is actually the same. So god is still fighting his battle with Satan. But Satan dominates. Satan even took Christ up on the hill and offered him all the riches of the world.
Gnosticism is unique because it says god is actually the devil, the demiurge.
So it shows you what would have happened if Satan had defeated god in the war in heaven.
Sure, it's different than your scenario, but not completely.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 06:06 PM)
Because the Demiurge created everything. Some Gnostics would do things like self mutilation to show they hated the devil's flesh. But those were only the real sickos.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 06:12 PM)
I love the Gnostics. I'm a Gnostic and a dualist. This means I'm not a devil worshiper. But I love both sides and want a perfect union of good and evil.
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Espergers Mr White Hello Fellow White Man — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 06:14 PM)
Platonic_Caveman said...
I love the Gnostics. I'm a Gnostic and a dualist. This means I'm not a devil worshiper. But I love both sides and want a perfect union of good and evil.
Which this world is?
a perfect union of good and evil.
Satan meets his disciples
Spoke the Lord in parables. Said he, "Consider a child born to a mother who was to die few months after the child came into this wretched realm. Then the child is born with illness that of ichthyosis, Harlequin, The mother cannot wait for the child to be borne out of her womb, yet when the child is born, she wished she hath aborted that soul most unfortunate! Who should die first, the child or the mother?" His thirteen disciples had no answer. Then said the Lord, "Neither." They were all astonished by his answer. Asked they him why? Then said the Lord, "Miracles performed by Christ thousand years twine yonder erst, yet the world suffers evermore. What good was the first coming of Christ that he healed a few and cursed many? What good shall be the second coming? Nay, i swear by Christ's first breath, God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son Lucifer, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. I shall undo all evil. I shall end all sin." Then his disciples worshiped the lord by sacrificing that new born human child, for Lord Satan denied that baby suffering, ended he that child's painful short life, for the Lord works in mysterious ways. Then the Lord come unto the wretched woman who hated its baby, cursed her to eternal damnation, her body offered to the demons, gargoyles, satyrs, vampires; servants of the lord that lurk behind shadows in the darkness of each night. Praise be Satan Hosanna the Highest. Amen.
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