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    Sturmknecht — 12 years ago(May 14, 2013 06:46 AM)

    Good post and good reply to the ignorant proles above.
    I see it pretty much the same way you do: the reinforcement of the token evil guys as Muslims felt very superficial to me too, and in my eyes served purely the goal of spoon-feeding the bigoted prejudices of the a big part of the general western audience.
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      Harry_Bottom — 13 years ago(February 16, 2013 08:45 PM)

      I wished it was more racist. It was too PC for me.

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        Augustus_Octavian — 11 years ago(January 14, 2015 05:49 AM)

        I agree. Hoping forward to a outrageously racist film from Hollywood just to finally have a IMBD board where these moaners are actually right!

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          jedimcarr — 13 years ago(February 16, 2013 09:57 PM)

          Actually, they are Eastern Orthodox. You could tell by the symbolism, especially since they are Albania where over 95% of the population is Eastern Orthodox.

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            lunamuna — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 03:16 AM)

            If they were Eastern Orthodox then why were they praying like Muslims? Why did they have the crescent moon and star tattoo? And I looked it up on wikipedia, Albania is predominantly Muslim with a large Christian minority

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                lunamuna — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 01:51 PM)

                How do you know? Do you actually know any Muslims? Have you ever even met a Muslim? And I don't mean the guy who runs your local shop/takeaway. Have you ever had a Muslim work colleague, acquaintance, friend? I doubt it.

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                    lunamuna — 13 years ago(February 21, 2013 01:14 AM)

                    How do you know I haven't read it? Have you been watching me my whole life? What a ridiculous presumption to make. I have read it in fact, and in truth it's a mixed bag with some morally questionable chapters and some very morally sound chapters as well. The same way the Bible is. In fact, the most horrific stuff is in the Bible, which if you have read, I'm sure you will agree. So, do you consider every Christian who believes what the Bible says to be a terrible person too? Because I don't know what country you live in but if its the States then there sure is of a lot of Christians there. If you're in Europe then I'm sure you have at least one friend who considers themselves Christian. Do you hate them too?
                    I just find it incredibly ignorant the way it's the new fashion in the West to consider Muslims to be a separate entity from the human race incapable of rational thought simply because they are Muslim. There's as many different kinds of Muslims as there are fish in the sea. And truth be told, the social history of Christianity (the Crusades, the Nazis, the British Empire etc.) and Atheism (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) has proved to be unrivalled in brutality.
                    My personal philosophy is to take every individual as they are and judge them by their own words and actions, not those of their supposed religion, group, culture, ethnicity etc. I think to do otherwise is irrational and betrays a lack of intellect. Hating one group on the basis of something intangible like religion is what allows things like the holocaust to happen. Breaking down people into mere categories dehumanises them and this is the first step towards something very very bad.

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                      applegreeen — 12 years ago(August 06, 2013 04:17 PM)

                      So Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot killed in the name of atheism, right?

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                        vestdennis — 12 years ago(August 09, 2013 09:49 PM)

                        Once again we have someone who brings up the history of Christianity hundreds of years ago & uses that to bash Christians today. Yes, the Crusades were bloody & violent but there was violence & warring done on both sides (Muslim & Christian).
                        But if you compare the modern history of Islam we see a renewal of violence & attacks on the Western world. Not by all, but enough that over two dozen embassies had to be closed down recently. Christians, who were once welcomed in Iraq, Egypt & Turkey are now having their churches burned down, the women attacked & they are fleeing for their lives.

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                          Strazdamonas — 9 years ago(April 18, 2016 11:26 AM)

                          Crusades were a direct response to Muslims conquering by force over 2/3 of Christian lands spanning from middle east to as far as middle europe. If it wasnt for Crusades europe would be all Muslim now.
                          Applied Science? All science is applied. Eventually.

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                            dabidder34 — 12 years ago(April 28, 2013 02:54 PM)

                            Albanians aren't christians, most of them are muslims. And their depiction is pretty much accurate in both films.
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                              NikolaAvramov — 12 years ago(June 29, 2013 09:28 AM)

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania
                              5% Orthodox Christians.
                              Knowledge. Use it.

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                                Synetech — 12 years ago(July 06, 2013 07:44 PM)

                                or this page, with a link to the (at this time) 2011 Albanian census:
                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania

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                                  zanbuddha — 12 years ago(August 01, 2013 05:10 PM)

                                  Lunamuna
                                  What a dumb ass post. Let me be clear on few things.

                                  1. Albanians have a HUGE muslim population and many of them are involved in human trafficking and prostitution. That is a FACT.
                                  2. Some muslims interpret their religion to enslave and treat non muslim women as dogs. If you are in the UK you will have heard of muslim grooming gangs who rape under age women, especially those that were caught in Rochdale and Oxford.
                                  3. Islam is NOT a race. Neither is depicting muslims (burkahs etc) in Turkey racist. It may be factually, slightly off the mark (I don't know I haven't been) but it's not racist you plum.
                                    The movie I think does a great job in highlighting the problem that exists in Europe. This kind of stuff does go on and Albanians are KNOWN for it. Google it and do a bit of research before posting such uneducated crap.
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                                      blednd88 — 12 years ago(January 12, 2014 05:52 AM)

                                      beep you

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                                        jacksflicks — 12 years ago(September 07, 2013 10:27 AM)

                                        Well, it's an old thread, but I can't let that whopper go by. Albanians are majority MUSLIM, Christians making up about 17%. Couldn't you just look it up before posting such stupidity and making a fool of yourself and misleading others?

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                                          cassmi87 — 11 years ago(October 19, 2014 08:09 AM)

                                          They said "Salaam alaikum". That's hardly Eastern Orthodox

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