OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born?
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:33 AM)
Of course they do.
Your argument is that value doesn't exist without the definition, but the biological functions that inform the word exist whether there is a definition or not.
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:42 AM)
Your argument is that value doesn't exist without the definition
No, that is not my argument.
but the biological functions that inform the word exist whether there is a definition or not.
sigh Instinct exists. Emotions exist. Caring exists. "Value" does not exist. "Valuing" is a trick of language.
It doesn't matter how much you care about your survival. Your survival has no "value".
That you are "valuing" your survival is just an idea in your head because of language.
EDIT: It's the idea that caring
creates
"value". It
doesn't
. You can care more about gold than about your life. You can care more about your life than about gold. It doesn't change the "value" of gold or of your life because they
have none
.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:28 AM)
"Valuing" is a trick of language.
No, "valuing" is a definition of a process. A process that exists whether there is a word for it or not.
Humanity has defined "dawn" and "dusk"; do the processes end if we remove the words?
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 08:26 AM)
No, "valuing" is a definition of a process. A process that exists whether there is a word for it or not.
The process of caring exists whether there is a word for it or not but the process of "valuing" implies not just caring about something but also affecting the "value" of what you care about which is entirely imaginary.
You can care about gold and jewels all you want and call your caring "unicorning" but your caring does not affect the gold's or jewels' amount of unicorn.
Humanity has defined "dawn" and "dusk"; do the processes end if we remove the words?
Those are not processes. Me moving around you and you calling it "you moving from the left of me to the right of me" does not make "right" and "left" processes.
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:47 AM)
I repeat, my moving around you is a process but "left" and "right" are not. Dusk and dawn are not processes anymore than noon and midnight are.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:54 AM)
Dusk and dawn are not processes anymore than noon and midnight are.
Noon and midnight are two exactly set moments in time. Dusk and dawn are not.
They are the process of the sun disappearing under and reappearing over the horizon, respectively.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 10:18 AM)
Either dusk and dawn are moments as well or noon is the process of the sun passing right over you and midnight the process of it passing right under you.
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:20 AM)
So the Earth speeds up and slows down so your idea of things can be correct. That's handy.
The Earth rotates. We've given times of day "names". There's no different processes going on. You've lost. Deal with it.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:22 AM)
Nope.
Midnight is one set moment. Noon is one set moment. Dusk and dawn are longer periods of time - it's the process of "moving up" or "moving down". The concepts are far older than the realization that it's the Earth rotating.
It's the truth. Deal with it.
For someone as stuck on dime-store philosophy as you are, you're sure not up on abstract notions.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:43 AM)
I repeat, it's nice that the Earth and Sun slow to a screeching halt at noon and midnight for you to have a point.
Afternoon is not a process. Nor is noon, dusk, dawn or midnight. They're names we gave to indicates times of day. Day is not a process either or one set moment, it is a name we gave a time, the same length of time
as
the Earth rotating once (which is a process).
EDIT: So to sum up:
Me walking around you? Process.
"Left" and "right"?
Not
process.
Earth rotating? Process.
"Dusk"?
Not
process.
"Midnight"?
Not
process.
"Dawn"?
Not
process.
"Noon"?
Not
process?
"Afternoon"?
Not
process.
One "day" aka 24 "hours"?
Not
process.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:55 AM)
I repeat, it's nice that the Earth and Sun slow to a screeching halt at noon and midnight for you to have a point.
You have no idea what the word "moment" really means, do you?
I'll help you along a bit: "A very brief period of time."
They're names we gave to indicates times of day.
No. Dusk is the sun "setting". Dawn is the sun "rising".
You're stuck in modern thinking. The concepts pre-date the knowledge of the Earth not being the centre of the universe by a long time.
However, this is (as always with you) futile, because you just keep shifting things away from the main discussion, in order to find some way of either making a point or getting the other person to grow tired of you, so you can feel like your "philosophy" has been confirmed.
But I'm just tired of you.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:16 PM)
No. Dusk is the sun "setting". Dawn is the sun "rising".
No, that's actually
sunset
and
sunrise
(also not processes). Dusk and dawn are the
times around
when the sun is "setting" and when the sun is "rising", just like afternoon is the time of the sun setting from noon until evening yet is not a process.
I think you have confused processes with
events
. Your birthday is not a process, it's an event.
You're stuck in modern thinking. The concepts pre-date the knowledge of the Earth not being the centre of the universe by a long time.
It has nothing to do with modern thinking or personal knowledge of the Earth and Sun.
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:46 PM)
sigh
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706